Politics and ponies

Kind of a personal comic, but one I think some others will relate to. While the backlash from some people within my conservative circles is to be expected (or the people who “just don’t get it”), it’s extra depressing when the fandom who’s motto is quite literally “love and tolerate” rejects you or makes you feel like you don’t deserve to enjoy the show. I’m kind of living proof that the stereotypes of conservatives they have in their heads aren’t necessarily true, but that’s ignored because it doesn’t fit with a comfortable narrative.

To be honest, I’ve only had a few conservatives, and none I know personally, who have really given me and other bronies guff for liking ponies. I’ve actually had more people on the brony side of things get angry at me for my conservative views. That includes one guy on a Facebook group who kept harassing me until an admin stepped in and another person on ponychan who said that there was nothing in my conservative philosophy that should allow me to enjoy the show. Seriously.

The show’s politically neutral. No, not even neutral – politics on the show are nonexistent. And unfortunately that’s somewhat rare in most entertainment today. Even someone who has their radar tuned in to politics as much as me just wants to enjoy a cartoon sans politics every once and a while. Ponies are the perfect escape for me, and as much as I try to adopt a “deal with it” attitude, it’s frustrating at times when vitriol towards anything from the right is just assumed, to the point where it colors other bronies’ perceptions of relatively harmless things.

One example is the FOX News show Red Eye and its coverage of the January Bronycon. Red Eye is a comedy show, and the segment they did was actually pretty positive – but bronies perceived it as an attack because it was from FOX News. It’s very frustrating when one of my favorite shows covers ponies in a fun and playful manner, but is met with almost universal disdain, while a reporter on CNN does a quick segment and gets a custom Equestria Daily banner.  (Edit: Apparently the CNN banner existed prior to the Erin Burnett piece. My mistake!)
I’m not gonna bite you. I want to watch ponies, just like you. I try my hardest to keep politics at a minimum, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to defend myself if you start attacking me. But I’d rather we just “love and tolerate” like we claim to, and just enjoy a cartoon. That’s what brought us together in the first place.

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88 thoughts on “Politics and ponies

  1. A conservative comic? With ponies? You just made my year. 😀 I get this stuff a lot though, and I feel your pain /)

  2. As a fellow conservative brony, I totally understand. I actually saw that Red Eye segment live (love show, watch it nearly very day) and was excited about how positive it was over all, even if there were the expected jokes from a comedy show. The next day I saw the EQD post about it and was surprised to see that like 90%+ of the comments were just mindlessly bashing Fox News as if they didn’t even watch the segment.

    Anyways, love the comic. Keep up the good work.

  3. I’m not quite conservateive, but I agree. Especially with the RedEye part. I heard the stories how Fox News beshed the hell outta bronies, but then I watched it myself, and I was like “That’s it? No, no, no, that was nothing close to offensive, that was just a comedy show being hilarous, and not that negative at all”. Bronies complain how Fox News missunderstood us, but it’s actally the oposite – Bronies missunderstood Fox News.

  4. Wow a conservative brony? And here I thought I was the only one…I actually came to watch MLP from watching Fox News Red Eye (a satire of the news) and without it I probably would have never watched it. Its even worse when the most poplar news and blogs site for MLP (EQD to name 1, which is one sided, and kinda disgusting) post articles usually lambasting my particular ideology including a post about John De Lancie Q&A I believe commenting on the Republican Convention. “the documentary is going to premiere at the National Republican Convention”(/watch?v=jBfz2-CKYTI). Its one sided and will always be jaded so theirs no point in being with a group like that, just enjoy the show that’s it.

    • I was definitely saddened by Mr. De Lancie’s comments at Bronycon, as an attendee. Bronies have been misrepresented and misunderstood by many news outlets of many political stripes. He alleged my fears somewhat in his Kickstarter message (even if I don’t agree entirely with his “independent” philosophy), but nevertheless I he is mistaken (and is not alone, unfortunately) in thinking that FOX News has “attacked” bronies in any way, and that they are somehow unique in doing so. Really only Red Eye has given bronies attention, and it was largely positive to those who didn’t assume it was an attack.

  5. I think this whole Fox News hate started with “In Living Glover” from a smaller Fox affiliate. I guess someone renamed it to FOX ATTACKS BRONIES. It’s a shame that Seth didn’t include that little detail.

    Also, RedEye has mentioned Applejack before EQD was founded.

  6. I happen to fall into the circle of conservative Bronies, as well. I haven’t been rejected by the groups I fraternize with, as a result, but I often feel that one step outside their box of Brony norms would spell doom for me.

    This particular cartoon has enabled me to acquaint a number of fine folks who do really cool stuff (comics, games, podcasts, cartoons, mechanics, etc.), and I would hate to lose them to a double standard.

    They say Love and Tolerate, but more than once have I felt spat on for believing in the things I believe in.

  7. I just want to thank you for sharing your opinion on this. As a Christian with conservative political views, it gets hard at times for me to call myself a brony because the whole “love and tolerance” stance tends to follow society’s trend towards liberal social views of “do your own thing as long as you do not harm me.”

    Concerning FOX News’ Red Eye segment I thought I was an attack on bronies, but that was because I did not know that Red Eye is more for comedy than anything.

    • And the problem is that people assume that “FOX” in that clip is FOX News Channel, when it’s actually just a local affiliate that has nothing to do with FOX News.

  8. Okay, let me preface by saying politics, in general, has no place in the world of multi-hued, small-statured equines. We all come to the table as fans of the show, of the characters, of the humor and animation and storytelling- not simply or even in spite of subscribing to a particular ideology.

    All that said, I don’t get the victim hood here. Right-wing conservatives in general and The Republican party in specific has built its entire existence on marginalizing and demonizing racial, sexual, and religious minorities. Its stock-and-trade and has one them virtually every election. Add to that, the fact that anti-woman gender politics also play a huge part in the conservative platform- everything from resisting efforts to approve cervical cancer vaccines through the FDA to voting en masse against the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to rolling back Federal Domestic violence funding and protections for women back in May. How then, do you expect fans of a female-centric show that bucks gender stereotypes and embraces ideals of tolerance, acceptance, and equality to react to your professed political views?

    Now, I’m not saying anyone has any right to mock, deride, discriminate, or otherwise malign you as a fan or person. But you seem to be missing the disconnect between your political leanings and the cartoon and its associated fandom. And by saying “I’m conservative” you are aligning yourself with every notion of what that means, just as proclaiming “I’m a brony” means you may conjure some unsavory images in people’s minds at first blush.

    But the brony community really IS a rainbow coalition. You have fans who are men and women, gay and straight, young and old, transgendered and intergendered and disabled and Christian and Atheist and on and on. I cannot believe that you fail to recognize how that kind of unity and community tolerance can be threatened by Republican or conservative views.

    • I don’t think it matters what side you take on politics and what fandom you discuss it with, it WILL lead to a shitstorm. Its politics, it is guaranteed to do that, period.

      Red Eye may be mean to be comical, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t still negative toward bronies.

    • You know, the Republican party was originally founded as an anti-slavery party. Political divisions have changed since then, but still… assuming everything that conservatives believe is wrong is in itself wrong. I’m pretty neutral on political issues as of right now (leaning a bit toward the liberal side), but honestly, spewing hate towards people of other political association is not OK in my view. That being said, being bigoted towards people of other races, genders or sexualities is also not OK in my view, but don’t pretend like every Republican does that, because they don’t. That’s only a small, vocal minority, and it doesn’t provide good insight into the still very wide right side of the political spectrum.

    • This is a prime example of what those with conservative views have to deal with, among fandoms that are largely liberal. If I may make a few criticisms:

      “Right-wing conservatives in general and The Republican party in specific has built its entire existence on marginalizing and demonizing racial, sexual, and religious minorities. Its stock-and-trade and has one them virtually every election.”

      I don’t know a single conservative who wakes up with the goal of marginalizing or demonizing anyone. You may not agree with some of our policies or feel that some group or other isn’t getting enough attention, but we come from a philosophy that as a general rule does not single out any group of people. We seek to empower the individual and lessen the influence of government, and that is a universal message independent of any categorical group. Disagree with policies, but don’t misrepresent our intentions.

      Every policy conservatives support or oppose we do for a reason, for what we think are good reasons, logical and sound reasons. While I have my own opinions on many policies you mentioned, again, no conservative is against certain vaccines or certain policies because we hate women. We love our women, and there are many women amongst us, who side with us, who don’t subscribe to the victim narrative placed on them by liberals. You may not agree with the positions, but again, don’t misrepresent our motives.

      “But you seem to be missing the disconnect between your political leanings and the cartoon and its associated fandom. And by saying “I’m conservative” you are aligning yourself with every notion of what that means, just as proclaiming “I’m a brony” means you may conjure some unsavory images in people’s minds at first blush.”

      That doesn’t mean I can’t bemoan the mischaracterization and what I believe is a FALSE disconnect between my views and the fandom. And I would no more deny being a conservative than I would being a brony; the perception many in the fandom have of conservatives is inaccurate, as are many people’s perception of bronies. I’m working to correct the false assumptions people have of me, both as a conservative and as a brony.

      Conservatives are also made up of a rainbow coalition, believe it or not. Conservatives are made up of men and women, gay and straight, young and old, transgendered and intergendered and disabled and Christian and Atheist and on and on. Many of us just don’t want to be defined by what separates us, but by what unites us, and that makes our values and policies difficult to communicate to others at times. I encourage you to speak with conservatives and learn more about why we do what we do and why we believe what we believe. You may be surprised.

      • Thank you. I often have some political discussions with friends and some family members and one thing I many don’t seem to get is that the other side honestly believes that they are doing what they think is best. This is also, unfortunately, evident on both sides of politics. I may not agree with your political beliefs, but I believe that you believe them. Personally, most of my “issues” with conservatism as it is now has very little to do with actual politics, but more with ideas about science, religion, and equality for LGBT individuals. I know that not every conservative agrees with calling certain sciences false and preventing marriage equality, but I wish that more of them were like that. These are issues that I believe should not be political.

    • Also, to your first point: I agree that politics shouldn’t come up, and that’s one of my stated reasons for enjoying the show. But nevertheless they DO crop up, especially amongst a group who assumes they all agree on the same issues. I’ll keep silent when I don’t think speaking up will do any good, but in general I’m going to defend myself and my views, especially if they are being misrepresented.

      • The misrepresentation of conservative’s will be at the tether of its opposition It’s something you can’t escape no matter if its fabricated information or actual fact…and one way or another it will have you other at each others throats. Especially since the show basis culminated the groups ideology which typically for them wouldn’t add up to being conservative in nature, even if the show its intended to be neutral which personally I believe it is. It’s the way things are just meant to be…at each others throats.It will never change.

      • For some reason it won’t let me comment on the reply, but this is directed towards Red:

        I take issue with your assertion that “the show basis culminated the groups ideology which typically for them wouldn’t add up to being conservative in nature.” The show’s values doesn’t exclude anyone, conservative or liberal. The messages are universal. Anyone who says that the message of the show is incompatible with a certain set of politics is reading too much into the show.

        As an example, the fandom’s motto of “love and tolerate” is actually never said on the show itself, it’s just ascribed. And the ponies don’t even always follow that motto… Rainbow Dash basically tells Gilda that if she doesn’t change her behavior, she should GTFO. Not exactly “tolerating,” is it? But it wasn’t really tolerable behavior! 😉

      • I guess to each his own interpretation. It is a tad hard to get the point across on this limited chat. Just know I’m in support of your plight and situation and wish the best for you.

      • Edit:
        I see your point. I suppose it would seem like an over analysis. Since I too have been lambasted for what I believe,care, partake in etc. It lends to be critical of certain “things”.

  9. Great blog. I’m also disappointed in the hate FOX News is getting over their coverage of Bronies. Sure, the Glover clip was unnecessary, but the RedEye one was fine. Does anyone consider that CNN might have been aware of the hate FOX was getting before they did their segment on Bronies? I don’t know…but it’s awesome to see another Conservative Brony. Especially one that’s drawing comics! 😀

    • And the Glover clip wasn’t actually FOX News Channel, but a local affiliate with the FOX name. So really FOX News has been friendly with us since the beginning.

  10. First, my apologies for those Bronies who don’t seem to respect other people’s political preferences (personally I am somewhat left, but much more centrist than I used to be. I live in Oklahoma with a fairly conservative father and I like zoology and other sciences, so politics is always an interesting subject). Some of us are fine with your beliefs regardless of what they are, but a vocal minority can make for bad experiences. I guess my biggest problem is stuff like the Brietbart article about fans of the show [ http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/04/25/my-little-pony#disqus_thread ]. I know that stuff like this come from both sides, but still. I hope that this is just a vocal minority, and I know that you disagree with, but the fact that an “article” like this can be considered acceptable to publish makes me feel like there is still a ways to go.

    • Yeah… normally I’m a big Kurt Schlichter fan, and this article is the one exception. What you have to understand about Schlichter is that he’s pretty much a professional troll, and he revels in it. He’s popularized the hashtag #caring on Twitter, the joke being that he doesn’t care. Bronies were just another group that he felt he could mess with, which he did quite effectively, I think we can all agree!

      But I’ve followed him since and he’s interacted a bunch with other bronies, if facetiously. He’s on Facebook as “Starfire Cuddlecakes” and posts weird pictures from ponychan, and while he’s definitely still making fun of us, “making fun” is all it is. He’s actually involved in a fundraiser for Wounded Warriors where if it met a certain goal, he would wear a Pinkie Pie hoodie for a day.

  11. I feel your pain man. Nothing like those you’re closest to ostracizing you because you believe what they don’t. I hope things get better man but You’ll always have us Conservative bronies to be here for you.

  12. Your upset is understandable, but really – brony fandom is like furry fandom – you will never fit in with the vast majority of people if you are a conservative. It’s based in fairly liberal values and culture such as accepting people as they are and transcending traditional gender roles. Further, while the show can be read from many political lenses, its concept is, again, liberal. Just look at how Lauren Faust talks about it, especially in her statement in Ms Magazine. The fanbase may be largely apolitical in its stance, but at the end of the day we’re all human, which means that at some point you’re going to make a comic of RD holding an American flag, and I’m going to make a graphic of her burning that flag. To pretend that we can stop functioning as political beings is naive.

    • Can I make a request for you not to make RD burning a flag. It feels quite out of character for her and the fanbase. It also is rather stupid in my opinion.

      • It’s not “nationalism.” That’s silly. Every “Bronies of Country X” has drawn ponies holding their flag. I’m a US conservative, so when I’m talking about being a conservative brony, I draw in the US flag. That simple.

        I really don’t see why your jimmies are so rustled to the point where you would draw a cute cartoon pony burning the flag, and that makes me sad.

    • Wouldn’t “accepting people as they are” include accepting political ideas you disagree with? Or at least tolerating them? As long as I’m not attacking anyone, why should I be subjected to the harassment or ostracizing? That’s not very “liberal” of anyone.

      • I don’t think harassment is warranted unless you’re behaving in an oppressive way. That said, opinions, aired in the open, can and should be challenged if they’re supporting oppression. So for example, your recent post about taxes. I’m not a liberal – I don’t support the existence of any government. That said, you’re advocating that rich people don’t have an obligation to the society they became rich in – an idea I find pretty odious. The same thing with your recent comic about “illegals” entering the US. I don’t doubt that there may be “illegals” who are part of the community itself. There’s no obligation to accept the presence of beliefs unquestioningly.

      • Anonymous: You misrepresent me. The point of my most recent post wasn’t that the rich didn’t have an obligation to the society they became rich in; it was that they don’t owe anything to the government. They’ve paid their taxes over the course of their careers just like everyone else, and they continue to do so. That’s all anyone owes the government. I find it irksome when people associate “society” WITH government.

        Illegal immigration is a problem. And yes, “illegal” is the word I use because ILLEGAL immigrants enter the country ILLEGALLY. If you read my post, my main point is that the border must be secure before we attempt to solve any of the problems related to those who came here who aren’t doing any harm. But make no mistake that people pouring over the border with little to no record of who they are and why they’re here is indeed a problem for many reasons: economic, security, and social.

        And I reject the notion that I “support oppression,” as would pretty much anyone. That’s not an accurate motivation behind almost anyone’s politics. You may not like some of my policy positions, but assuming that if I disagree with you then I must be some kind of evil person is part of what I have a problem with on this issue. If you want to debate me on individual issues, go ahead! But I don’t see how a policy position here or there is supposed to prevent me from enjoying the show or warrants bullying.

      • “But I don’t see how a policy position here or there is supposed to prevent me from enjoying the show or warrants bullying.”

        Without getting into a specific policy debate – and I apologize if I misrepresented your views on the rich, although your qualification for what justifies their maintaining their wealth is about as bad, and your language around undocumented immigrants remains as perceived – I think this particular quote gets to the heart of things. The brony fan circles I’ve traveled through – Ponychan, /b/ threads, reddit, /mlp/ – have been a mixed bag in terms of politics. I’ve met Zionists, libertarian capitalists, Nazis, and all sorts of conservative tendencies, though they have been few and far between. As someone with strong and (within the community) marginal political views myself, I find that most people react strongly not to conservative politics, but to outspoken politics when it’s combined with ponies. It’s a combination of a general apoliticism among people as well as a not-impractical sense that arguing about politics on the internet is generally futile and ‘splits’ the community. But I’m also not seeing a general intolerance of conservative views persay – there’s plenty of (in my opinion unfortunate) love for military bronies, for example, pro-corporate sentiment (when it comes to Hasbro and people who make merch) as well as more than a few pictures of Dash in front of the American flag. Fox News is unabashedly biased and generally terribly as far as news sources go, so I’m not sure I understand your hand-wringing when people dismiss a comedy show which had previously mocked bronies (and prefaced the more recent clip with a misogynist/homophobic wink to the viewer).

        Enjoy the show all you wish – I know people with worse politics than yours who do – your comic singing the praises of recent corpse Andrew Breitbart will never compete with pony ethno-nationalism. It’s actually kind of fascinating to see people try to reconcile a generally feminist show which puts strong emphasis on working together with anti-feminist and individualist viewpoints. But as for why you might get hassled – if you bring politics into a generally (and falsely) apolitical space, you will get static both from people who don’t want to talk politics and people like me who don’t care for what you’re saying. Self-identified liberals might also visit your blog and not quite get the joke when you depict them as stupid, gullible hypocrites. There just happens to be a larger sentiment against outspoken conservatives because it’s a generally liberal base of people.

      • Isn’t paying your taxes your debt to the government? I wasn’t aware of any other obligations, other than jury duty. I suppose you have a GOOD reason for taking their wealth? Like, they have it and someone else doesn’t? That’s the same morality that motivates the thief, you realize.

        And is there something offensive about saying that people who came here illegally came here illegally? I just don’t see how that constitutes “supporting oppression.” Am I missing something?

        I don’t appreciate your insinuations and your snide little asides in this whole comment. I DON’T make my politics outspoken amongst brony groups. I hardly talk about politics at all, with my making a point through a cartoon being the one notable exception. And when it DOES come up, the most I ever say is “I’m a conservative” without any specific policy points. And usually it’s just to say “I wish politics could stay out of ponies,” like I do here in my blog post. Yet as soon as it comes out that I’m conservative, I’ve been harassed and attacked and told I can’t watch the show. No familiarity with me or this blog required. The label is enough. And there’s something wrong with a fandom that proclaims tolerance but will reject you whole cloth without getting to know you.

        To address your other little comments:

        I would argue that Red Eye isn’t even a very conservative show. They discuss current events, but it’s hardly a soapbox for political posturing. It’s just comedy, and it’s dealing with bronies was apolitical. For it to be rejected for political reasons is part of the general problem I have with the fandom excluding conservatives for no other reason for being conservative.

        Andrew Breitbart was no racist. I assume that was what you were implying with the term “ethno-nationalism,” although I’ve never heard it before. Go actually read some of his writing and look at some of the people he worked with before you accuse someone of something like that. And to refer to someone as a “recent corpse” is not a very classy way to appear reasoned and approachable.

        Conservatism is not anti-feminist. I think it’s a more feminist view than liberalism, honestly – we’re not constantly telling our women that men are keeping them down and that they can only get ahead with help from the government. And many women are pro-life and anti-abortion, because they think that the right to life trumps all others.

        Individualism doesn’t exclude caring for others, it just says that “caring” shouldn’t be compulsory and enforced from the barrel of a gun.

      • >taking rich people’s wealth

        Rich people get rich off of not rich people – it’s the bread and butter of the capitalist economy. In order to get rich, you yourself must be a thief. To steal from a thief- and especially one that has stolen from you – is hardly unjustifiable.

        >immigration

        The phrasing “illegal” puts emphasis upon the criminal nature of crossing a boarder without permission. Which i assume is your intent, and in the process it turns the whole discussion about immigration into “how do we solve this criminal problem” instead recognizing the common humanity we share with people who are being treated so poorly by this country.

        >intolerance because you’re a conservative

        Again, I agree to some extent that full-on harassment of fans simply for saying they’re conservative isn’t warranted. Behavior vis a vis other fans/people is more important and seems to get less attention than when someone makes an explicitly political statement. But again, I also think it’s good when people challenge others based on their political beliefs.

        >RedEye

        I don’t watch it on a regular basis, so I can’t vouch for its other content, but again, I think the hosts’s framing of the most recent broNYcon segment played into the viewer’s previously existing negative perceptions of what a brony is, allowing them to enjoy the piece as a bit of absurdity without questioning those assumptions.

        >Breitbart

        Andrew Breitbart was probably a racist, and he was most certainly a bad person – I have little desire to mince words when it comes to people like that. But that’s not what I was referring to here. When I say pony ethno-nationalism, it’s a very oblique remark to this incredibly strange tumblr http://mynationalistpony.tumblr.com/.

        >feminism

        I’m not arguing for liberal feminism – it’s a bad ideology. Feminism itself has its own problems and limits in how it considers oppression. What I’m saying is that the stance that “we’re not constantly telling our women that men are keeping them down” is actually anti-feminist, it denies the existence of male privilege and how women have traditionally been and continue to be oppressed. It says that women and men are actually equal in the society and economic system in which we live, which is false. So you get situations where women will push for less freedom for women as a whole, in order to “empower the individual and lessen the influence of government”. Your point about abortion reinforces this – the framing of abortion as a “right to life” of the fetus in a society which is content to let young adults die of untreated and undertreated illness without access to medical care and let children who are no longer fetuses go hungry is ridiculous. This also gets to your point about individualism – namely, that there is no social obligation to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, etc. When someone is poor, the conservative tendency puts the blame on them and says they’re responsible for their poverty. Liberals don’t really like poor people either, but whether out of compassion, guilt or misplaced idealism they tend to support government programs to mediate social inequality. Though let us not forget that it was conservative arch-demon and liberal paladin Bill Clinton that ended welfare.

        The intent of Lauren Faust in making the show was, in part, an attempt to challenge traditional gender roles communicated to female children by their entertainment. She considers herself a feminist, and the show she produced is more or less a reflection of that. I doubt you object to this, you strike me as someone who is commonly but incorrectly called a social liberal. You don’t have a problem with the content of the show because there’s very little social critique outside of what has become common (accepting changing gender roles and differences in race as normal and positive, for example). The show attracts so many different mature viewers because it doesn’t deal with issues like, for example, what happens if Rainbow Dash breaks her wing and she doesn’t have insurance, or what happens if Pinkie Pie is evicted by the Cakes.

      • >taking rich people’s wealth
        How do the rich steal? Unless they are actually stealing, i.e. taking something by force or fraud, then they’re not stealing. If that’s your logic then anytime someone pays for something, the person getting paid is “stealing.” You make no sense.
        >immigration
        The problem is that the people who tell us to focus on our “common humanity” don’t want to actually do anything to solve the problem. I’m not suggesting we exterminate these people or something; how is it denying “common humanity” by recognizing illegal activity as illegal activity?
        >RedEye
        You’re welcome to your opinion, but the point remains that it’s hardly the slamfest people were making it out to be. Certainly not compared to the likes of Howard Stern, yet people equate them to each other.
        >Breitbart
        Again, “probably a racist” without any evidence. And again, just because you disagree with someone’s politics does not make them a bad person. Andrew Breitbart was a patriot and a damn good cultural warrior. Pick some of the “bad” things Andrew Breitbart has done and I’ll be happy to defend him.
        >feminism
        If the only way to “empower” someone or a group of people is by putting down someone else or another group of people, then you’re not really empowering anyone. There are plenty of successful women in America, and plenty of opportunity for women to become successful. More women are going to college than men now. This isn’t the 50’s or 60’s.

        There’s plenty of social obligation to feed the hungry, clothe the poor, etc. You’ll actually find that conservatives tend to be more charitable than liberals. But again, you’re equating society with government. We just think the government sucks at helping the poor, and that even when they do help they cause the poor to become dependent on the government. There’s a difference between having a “safety net” and having a welfare state.
        Your comments on health care are woefully inaccurate, but that’s another subject entirely.

        Lauren Faust didn’t write anything particularly radical into the show in terms of content. She’s not challenging traditional gender roles, she’s challenging traditional gender roles IN MEDIA. The reason we love her characters so much is because they have personalities that feel real, instead of just a token “girl character.”

        Like most cartoons, the show isn’t political. But I don’t watch it because of whether or not it discusses politics; I watch it because it is a good show.

      • >You make no sense.

        I know, because we’re talking from entirely different ideological viewpoints in a limited forum. You think rich people have earned their wealth, I say that earning comes through the exploitation of workers whose labor they profit from. I would actually agree with you that in requiring monetary exchange for goods and services, the seller is committing theft.

        >immigration

        I’ve made my point here in the previous response. Think what would happen if the (more) common term for investment banker was “criminal”. Wouldn’t that change the dynamic of how people think about them and treat them? You complain about lack of decorum for dead Andrew Breitbart, but you have no problem referring to immigrants as “illegals”. You don’t think that’s a bit dehumanizing?

        >RedEye

        The Howard Stern segment was bad in a different way, and probably worse. I don’t disagree with you on that.

        >Breitbart

        I know you’d be happy to defend him, I’m not particularly interested in having a discussion about it. I think this video is a good example of his generally unpleasant views and demeanor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NzHHQASizE. It’s good that he’s dead, now he can spend eternity as Ronald Reagan’s footstool in hell.

        >feminism
        “If the only way to “empower” someone or a group of people is by putting down someone else or another group of people, then you’re not really empowering anyone. ”

        In any system in which some people have a lot of power and others have none, there will be a redistribution of that power if any justice is to occur. Men have been forced to cede some of their privilege because of the women’s movement. An example of this would be marital rape – something that wasn’t even recognized as an issue in the US until feminists in the 19th century fought to have it recognized and criminalized – and even today, it’s still a lesser charge than non-spousal rape in many states. Up to the point that it was made an issue by feminists, men held the privilege to choose to have intercourse in their marriage whenever they wished, whether their spouse was willing or not. And disempowering men in that position actually does empower women. “This isn’t the 50’s or 60’s” exactly because women have worked to challenge their inferior position in society vis a vis men. But at the same time, women still make up the majority of low-paying jobs in the economy. They’re still being beaten up by their spouses and raped in high numbers, without access to childcare even though they make up the majority heads-of-household for low-income families, and even with the legalization of abortion, its cost puts it out of reach for many. Your point abut “successful women” is important though, because not only does their position serve as a token to demonstrate patriarchy doesn’t actually matter in today’s society, but that oppression is more complex than someone being female.

        >”She’s not challenging traditional gender roles, she’s challenging traditional gender roles IN MEDIA.”

        Are these things radically different? Just as an example, Twilight Sparkle – bookish, assertive, rational, loves science – and portrayed in a positive way. Applejack and Rainbow Dash – both tomboys, love competition, straightforward, assertive, athletic. These aren’t traditionally feminine traits, either in media or in society. Traditionally, girls have been steered away from sports and the sciences, encouraged to be non-confrontational, and discouraged from anything viewed as “masculine”. But again, these aren’t particularly controversial statements now because society is changing.

        >”Like most cartoons, the show isn’t political”

        Everything is political – it’s a matter of whether it’s viewed as political. The fact that the political statements made by the show aren’t challenging very much in society beyond some outmoded assumptions about what girls are and aren’t means that it attracts a wide audience that views it as apolitical. The fact that it asserts many common beliefs about society is depoliticized. It is kind of funny, though, that rich ponies by and large tend to be portrayed as vapid and narcissistic (most of Canterlot’s elite) or greedy and selfish (Filthy Rich and Diamond Tiara). But by and large, it’s not a critical show, and the wealthy are often mocked in children’s entertainment, so it can be viewed as apolitical.

      • So if I buy a stick of gum, someone’s stealing from me? This isn’t different ideology, it’s incoherency.
        If the investment banker you’re referring to is a criminal, I would have no problem calling him a criminal. Your analogy doesn’t make sense. I’m not calling all immigrants illegal, just the ones that came here illegally.
        I see Andrew Breitbart doing to those protesters exactly what they had been doing to him and other conservatives. Except he was actually being honest instead of shouting falsehoods. That’s why I liked him. But I won’t continue arguing with you, because I can tell when an obvious troll is obvious.
        You act as if I support crimes against women, or just ignore them. Anyone who beats/rapes anyone should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, period. Goes without saying (although you might want to let some Occupy Wall Street supporters know that). But I don’t see any opportunities available to men that aren’t available to women, and in many ways women are going to have an easier path to success than men in the near future.
        Girls have been steered toward business, science, sports, etc. plenty nowadays. I don’t know what schools you’ve been going to. Media’s been a little slower to turn around, particularly animation, but what makes MLP cool is that it shows girls as they are. It doesn’t even preach to them about what they could be: it’s just plain honest.
        Not all Canterlot ponies are stuck up (Fancy Pants, anyone?) and Filthy Rich isn’t greedy and selfish. Filthy Rich is just a business owner. A tad boring, but a guy who is friendly with his friends and business partners (Granny Smith and Sweet Apple Acres) and part of a tradition of economic growth that started with his father that helped make Ponyville as successful as it is. Diamond Tiara is a spoiled, but Filthy punished her once he realized what she had been saying about Granny Smith. The show actually has a pretty positive portrayal on capitalism in general.

      • >So if I buy a stick of gum, someone’s stealing from me? This isn’t different ideology, it’s incoherency.

        Again, I’m not surprised you’re having trouble understanding, what I’m suggesting is that charging money for things produced by workers is, yes, theft from society which is made up of workers who produced those things in the first place.

        >If the investment banker you’re referring to is a criminal, I would have no problem calling him a criminal. Your analogy doesn’t make sense. I’m not calling all immigrants illegal, just the ones that came here illegally.

        I’ve explained this a number of times. Putting the emphasis upon “illegality” is dehumanizing and reflects your general approach to people who enter the US illegally. It’s word games, really, the underlying view you have of undocumented people is pretty callous, so your language reflects that.

        >I see Andrew Breitbart doing to those protesters exactly what they had been doing to him and other conservatives. Except he was actually being honest instead of shouting falsehoods. That’s why I liked him. But I won’t continue arguing with you, because I can tell when an obvious troll is obvious.

        “You’re freaks and animals” – the painful honesty of this statement! That’s fine, again, your views are your own. Dead conservative prick is dead, it’s not important.

        >You act as if I support crimes against women, or just ignore them. Anyone who beats/rapes anyone should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, period. Goes without saying (although you might want to let some Occupy Wall Street supporters know that). But I don’t see any opportunities available to men that aren’t available to women, and in many ways women are going to have an easier path to success than men in the near future.

        I think you’re missing the point – you said “If the only way to “empower” someone or a group of people is by putting down someone else or another group of people, then you’re not really empowering anyone.” – I offered a historical example as to why that isn’t true. I don’t make any claims about your views on crime – why read it that way? Further, I offered a number of ways in which women continue to be specifically oppressed. Clearly “opportunity” isn’t stopping the issues I referred to, so I’m not sure how that connects.

        >Girls have been steered toward business, science, sports, etc. plenty nowadays. I don’t know what schools you’ve been going to. Media’s been a little slower to turn around, particularly animation, but what makes MLP cool is that it shows girls as they are. It doesn’t even preach to them about what they could be: it’s just plain honest.

        So we agree that the contemporary view of women’s role in society is changing some, so it’s more acceptable today for a girl to be into science than it has been in the past. Media tends to shape and be shaped by contemporary middle-class values.

        >Not all Canterlot ponies are stuck up (Fancy Pants, anyone?) and Filthy Rich isn’t greedy and selfish. Filthy Rich is just a business owner. A tad boring, but a guy who is friendly with his friends and business partners (Granny Smith and Sweet Apple Acres) and part of a tradition of economic growth that started with his father that helped make Ponyville as successful as it is. Diamond Tiara is a spoiled, but Filthy punished her once he realized what she had been saying about Granny Smith. The show actually has a pretty positive portrayal on capitalism in general.

        >not all Canterlot ponies are stuck up
        Right, but most are. Fancy Pants is an exception, not the rule. In general, the denizens of Canterlot are stuck-up, vapid and materialistic.

        >Filthy Rich
        Your reading is actually kind of funny. You don’t see the joke when he talks about how he undermined his competitors to produce a monopoly in Ponyville? Or you just choose not to read it that way? Cheerilee and Granny Smith referring to him as “Filthy” are painfully obvious jabs by the writers at his character. DT is like Muffy on Arthur – a spoiled kid who is a product of her environment – and whose negative character is linked to her father’s. The show isn’t critical of the capitalist economy as a whole, for sure, but like a lot of children’s entertainment it does mock what it perceives as excess and greed.

    • Anon?

      You are a tool. Not single sentence that you spewed into this thread is factual. In fact, they are outright lies.

      Feminism?

      The Democrats have been about as feminist as a tampon with a razor attached. Liberal views do not tend to support true freedom for women, only freedom within a glass box. A patronizing pat on the head and a tug on the leash.

      Further, it has been Libertarian measures (CONSERVATIVES) who have offered women the biggest opportunities and have historically pushed women’s suffrage to the successes it now enjoys.

      On the contrary, in the world of Equestria the few males we do see (Fancy Pants, Shining Armor, Filthy Rich, and Big Mac) are shown to be some of the wisest and most intelligent characters in the entire show.

      Your historical examples have been disproven, your rhetoric revealed as a farce. Your argument is dead on arrival, slapnuts.

      Rich folk and you “not stealing”?

      So basically you want everyone to not have ambition, to crush the entrepreneurial spirit, and turn everyone into jelly backed drones that have no personal motivation. You are a thief. There is no moral or logical basis behind your argument save for your unwillingness to work and desire to assuage your own sense of impotence by making sure no one else excels.

      In the show, one of the biggest heroes is Applejack, who is pretty much a cross between Calamity Jane and John Galt. She is effectively an uber Libertarian who is pretty much is the go-to mare when stuff needs to get done. Filthy Rich and Fancy Pants are intelligent individualists who succeeded based on their personal desire to better themselves and to offer the equality that same individualism to all pony-kind irregardless of position or birth.

      As for the supposed “stuck up Canterlot ponies” NEWS FLASH: your supposed “Marxist” heroes in Ponyville ostracized Zecora and Twilight Sparkle when they behaved differently, so it hardly looks like being “stuck up” is limited to the wealthy, and my example proves that you are merely generalizing and omitting information to in the vain attempt to save your weak ass argument.

      So you are wrong again.

      Homophobia and Racism?

      Are you fucking joking? No wait…making an ironic jab like that would require a significantly higher intellect than you have demonstrated up to this point.

      http://theatheistconservative.com/2012/05/26/vicious-racist-pets-of-the-democratic-left/

      http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/04/12/wheres-the-outragedems-running-anti-gay-campaign/

      Yours is the slavery party. Yours is the party of Fred Phelps. Yours is the party that CREATED DADT. Yours is party that threw gays under the bus, while Libertarians and Log Cabin Republicans fought to change the few outdated voices in the GOP AND simultaneously were the ones who forced the Dems to change their minds and embrace gay rights.

      Wrong again, douche.

      Immigration?

      Hey asshat, all we want is for everyone to comply with the same rules as every other civilized nation on Earth. Hell, just comply with our two closest neighbors, and that would work just fine. The current Dem policy is brutal and a thousand times more unfair than anything ever proposed by even the biggest heel in the GOP.

      http://www.gaypatriot.net/2013/04/22/my-simple-immigration-plan/

      http://ricochet.com/main-feed/How-About-Immigration-Reform-That-Makes-America-Smarter

      “Illegal” is dehumanizing? That’s what they are: Illegal immigrants. Had they come through normal channels, they would just be “immigrants”?
      Know what Canada calls illegal immigrants? ILLEGALS.

      “In Canada, we have an estimated 35,000 to 120,000 “illegals,” of whom Sheila Fraser said, when she was auditor general, some 40,000 had been lost track of. In other words, authorities haven’t a clue about people who arrive in the country without passports or identities, or who have phony documents, and have been turned loose with instructions to report later, but rarely do.”

      -Peter Worthington, Canadian Journalist, Toronto Sun

      If you play by the same rules as everyone else there is no problem.

      On another, note you boohoo like a bitch about “dehumanizing” people, while mocking another guy by calling him a “dead conservative prick”. Love to see your hypocrisy in action.

      So you strike out once again, dingus

      ” *Insert rambling about a minority of extremists you identify as cons not realizing that half of those represent vastly different political ideologies most of which are defined as socialist* ”

      Oh yeah? I can play that game too, junior.

      The Khmer Rouge
      The Chinese Communist Party
      The Jacobins
      The League of Revolutionary Struggle
      Up Against The Wall Motherfuckers
      RCP, USA
      Seattle Weather Collective

      …and so on and so forth.

      The difference between your examples and mine? MINE REALLY ARE LEFTISTS.

      You got nothing, Sunny Jim.

      If this show has any political message, it appears to be a Libertarian one: when the mane 6 work together it is the act of individuals choosing to work together without the threat of force to better their world and causes they choose to work towards.

      Individuals are celebrated and communal thinking and brow beating is shown as vile and to be avoided.

      http://analysisismagic.thingobjectentity.net/2012/05/22/the-most-awesomely-libertarian-episode-of-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic/

      http://analysisismagic.thingobjectentity.net/2012/03/13/objectivism-is-magic/

      So to sum up:

      Your bullshit is revealed and your nonsense dispelled.

      I am Cain. Libertarian. Atheist. Scientist.

      …and you’ve just gotten your ass educated.

  13. For people debating fandom being liberal, I kinda have to agree, but more in the dictionary definitions of “liberal” and “conservative” than political meanings. By dictionary definitions;
    Conservative: reluctant to accept change: in favor of preserving the status quo and traditional values and customs, and against abrupt change.
    Liberal: broad-minded: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others
    Again, this is not a great way to define America’s (or any other country’s) political parties, but it is not entirely inaccurate. Many political ads that I see today have Republicans talking about how great we used to be, and we can only be that way again if we go back. The few Democratic ads I see often say we will get better only if we move forward with progress. I am not trying to say either is inherently right, and honestly, I believe that certain aspects of both are great, and others are stupid. I believe that any one who wants to can enjoy MLP:FIM, regardless of age, religion, sex, sexual orientation, or political beliefs. But, the whole concept of a bunch of adults watching and enjoying a cartoon perceived to be for little girls fits better with dictionary “liberal” than dictionary “conservative”. However, the fact that Tom has gotten a bit a flack for his political beliefs from a mostly liberal fanbase is likely the best indication that, despite supposedly being a group about accepting different views and ideas (both politically and “Love and Tolerate” wise), we still need to work on actually applying these.

    • Conservatives don’t believe in changing things just for the sake of changing them – not for “light and transient causes.” That’s why “change” as a value is so inane. Change can be good and change can be bad. That’s why I adopt the mantle of “conservative” over other words, because I do want to preserve the good things that have made us so prosperous (ideology usually described as “classical liberalism”). That doesn’t mean I don’t like things moving forward, so long as we’re moving forward for the better.

      The analogy I always use is if you’re moving forward in a car, but are on the wrong road, the direction towards “progress” is actually backward in order to get on the right road!

      Made a comic on this subject back in 2010, actually: https://ralphandchuck.wordpress.com/2010/08/27/this-president-is-a-joke/

      • Change or tradition are not inherently good or bad, its how they are applied that makes the difference. I honestly don’t believe anyone thinks that change for the sake of change is a good thing (though, the joke is admittedly a little too tempting to make based off of Obama’s 2008 campaign slogan [actually, the post with the comic is mostly non-partisan and relevant for anyone with a passing interest in politics]). However politicians almost always propose making changes (even if it is a change to back to the way things were). If things are bad “change things to make them good”, if they are good “change things to make them better!” Progress is also odd in politics. If same-sex marriage is ruled upon either way by the Supreme court, those who don’t like the decision will say they lost a lot of progress. Heck, if a bipartisan group were created to help reduce the deficit by closing tax loop holes and reduce frivolous spending, you would have the Republicans say they lost progress on reducing taxes and Democrats saying they lost progress for funding public services. I don’t watch MLP:FIM to change ideas about masculinity or what is socially acceptable, or to continue the “tradition” of nerds and geeks having hobbies that are weird to outsiders. I watch it because I think it is well done and I enjoy it. And being a Brony on the internet, you know how “wrong” that can be perceived to be.

  14. If you do not want to be rejected by a fandom all about tolerance, perhaps you should not have repugnant beliefs about who you tolerate and who you do not.

      • There is the whole “the conservative party is extremely anti gay”. Even if you do personally consider yourself anti gay, you support a party that is. You should not be surprised at MLP fans rejection of you.

      • I support a party that is pro-individual. We want a country that makes it easier for all people to live in liberty, including people of all sexual proclivities. It’s not like gays are banned from eating in restaurants. I honestly couldn’t care less about the gay marriage issue because it’s mostly semantics at any rate. Why do I need the government to give me a piece of paper in order to be married? Both sides are really just pushing for the government to decide for us what kind of legal arrangements are legitimate.

        I don’t like it when LGBT groups try to circumvent our constitutional system of federalism in order to get their policies enacted, however. Work within your states or attempt to pass an amendment, instead of relying on activist judges. It sets dangerous precedents for future constitutional issues, and I don’t appreciate dissolving our system for an issue that is, again, largely about semantics.

        But regardless, a fandom that is supposedly so TOLERANT should TOLERATE different opinions on that issue, considering it has nothing to do with ponies. Do you see my point there?

      • Yeah, but there is the whole “Conservatives trying to make it so gays can’t adopt or visit their loved ones in the ER”. It does not really matter if you do not personally believe gays are bad or whatever. It’s like being a Nazi but trying to tell the bronies “Oh, no, I just like their policies on taxes!” or whatever.

      • And I am not trying to say that I dislike you, because I do not know you, and I actually like your art. But pretty much every other conservative I have talked to was the exact opposite of civil, and would call gays and trans people perverts and freaks at the drop of a hat. I’m just letting you know WHY bronies might dislike you.

      • No, it’s nothing like the Nazis. They rounded up gays and put them in death camps and subjected them to cruel medical experiments and similar atrocities. Wanting traditional marriage is a far cry from any of that, and it’s intellectually dishonest to equate the two.

        Many Republicans are for hospital visitation and civil unions. In fact I don’t know anyone who is AGAINST hospital visitation, it’s just that hospital visitation is usually tied up in the “immediate family” issue which is also tied up with marriage.

      • I don’t know what “conservatives” you’ve been talking to, but I’m sorry. I don’t know anyone like that.

      • I am not comparing the marriage issue with Nazism. I am saying that being in a party full of assholes is going to give people a very bad opinion of you.

        And as for not knowing anyone who is against hospital visits…Republican senators are doing it. Pius the Minnesota Republican Party attempting to make homosexual acts illegal.

        And their general hypocrisy on small governments but wanting to regulate abortions.

      • Republicans have actually been saying “gays shouldn’t visit each other in hospitals”? News to me.
        And it’s not hypocrisy. Conservatives support constitutional government, which yes, does tend to be smaller. But that doesn’t mean “small” is a fundamental tenet, as many people portray it to be. A better word is “limited,” because government should be effective in the areas it’s supposed to be effective in. One of these is protecting the lives of its citizens (LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness), so advocating pro-life policies isn’t hypocritical at all.

    • And I’ll add that my point still stands. “I am saying that being in a fandom full of cloppers is going to give people a very bad opinion of you.” See how it works and how it’s unfair? You can’t judge individuals or reject them out of hoof before you get to know them. Not all Republicans are the same, not all Democrats are the same, not all liberals or all conservatives or all libertarians are the same.

      • There are a lot of nuanced positions for many issues. But you’re ignoring my point: You are taking the actions of some individuals and projecting them onto all individuals in a particular group. You’re saying that even if I don’t support the things you don’t like, and never even talk about them, I still deserve to be harrassed/rejected. You’re okay with that?

      • I never said that. I am simply telling you that the face of the Republican party is a bunch of anti gay, anti women, racist, overly religious idiots, because that is who the Republican party has traditionally supported. Because of that, you are rejected. I do not agree with it, necessarily. I am just telling you why it is happening and not to be surprised it is happening, because just a few months ago a serious Republican candidate president almost called Obama the N word(and using “anti war” as an insult at that), and just a few months before THAT, another serious candidate had a commercial about Obama’s “War on Christianity”.

        Perhaps if you made a few pro LGBT/feminist/whatever comics, or made it clear to brony friends you aren’t a typical Republican. That is the best advice I can give you. Just put it out there that you aren’t THAT kind of Republican.

      • “Almost called Obama the n-word?” How do you ALMOST call someone the n-word? I know what you’re talking about there, by the way, and I find it appalling that the left won’t give someone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the most inflammatory racial epithet we have. It’s political, is what it is.
        And I do agree that the Democratic party to a certain extent is waging a little war on Christianity. It’s a topic for another discussion, but people forget that the 1st Amendment also includes the phrase “or prohibit the free exercise thereof.” The government is secular, but actively promoting secularism and rejecting other belief systems is not the role of the government.
        I’m not going to do a pro LGBT comic just to do a pro LGBT comic. That’s not how I operate. I do comics on issues as they become important or present in my own mind. I’ve said I think the gay rights issue is largely semantics, and I only care about it so far as one side or the other tries to subvert the constitution in their efforts to reflect their worldview. There are other far more important things going on.
        And again, the whole point of this is how I’m being rejected as a conservative before anyone even knows my views. I could draw 500 comics in support of gay rights, but that wouldn’t stop the knee-jerk reactions from people when I say I’m conservative, and THAT is what I have a problem with. I don’t immediately attack or ostracize someone for being liberal, and in THIS fandom especially I would expect the same courtesy as it pertains to being conservative. It’s not necessary and it’s not relevant. I’m not going to pretend it’s to be expected, I’m going to cry foul.

      • Again, I’m not the one judging you. I’m just saying WHY you’re judged. Besides, how do you explain “anti war government nig-umm…”? Oh well, I guess it doesn’t matter.

        But by not being active in changing the perception of conservatives and continuing to elect homophobic and racist people to represent you, people’s perception of conservatives won’t change. And not saying “No, fellow Republicans, stop being racist/homophobic” is just ignoring the problem. Are you white? Straight? Fairly well off? Well, then, you probably think stuff like that doesn’t concern you…

      • Ah, forget it. I have a friend a lot like you. He’s Christian and conservative, but he’s really cool. Just…misguided. But we’re close friends none the less. And since you aren’t ACTIVELY racist or homophobic, there is no point in bothering with trying to make you look at things another way.

      • Mainly the fact that Santorum’s not a racist, that he’s never said anything racist before, and that the word would make no sense in context. See, I tend to assume people are NOT racists if they stumble over their speech. But that’s just me.

        Yours is the party that elected a former Klan member who remained in office for the rest of his life. I don’t know where you get off calling conservatives racists… Racism is by definition to value others based on their race, and conservatives preach an economic message independent of race. Can’t say the same for the Democrats’ demagoguery.

        And I’m also sick and tired of people saying that since I’m not in X minority group(s), that I’m not allowed to have an opinion on something. That’s bullshit. I put the Constitution and the welfare of the society first, and if what you support conflicts with that, I’m against it. If it doesn’t conflict, I don’t much care. I don’t see how NOT commenting on something makes me a homophobe, and I don’t see how being against flawed policies and demagoguery somehow makes me a racist or misogynistic or insensitive to the poor. If I were to wake up tomorrow with no money, black skin, and a desire to have sex with men, I would still feel the same way about every issue simply because I have principles that are not predicated on an oppressed vs. unnoppressed mindset.

        I’m not ACTIVELY racist or homophobic, nor am I PASSIVELY racist or homophobic. Every state could vote to make gay marriage legal tomorrow and I wouldn’t much care, simply because I don’t see marriage as defined by the state as a fundamental right, or even a fundamental civil right. By the way, that includes marriage of people of ALL sexual preferences (but if the SCOTUS were to rule that gay marriage is a right under the constitution, that would be another story!). Like I’ve said again and again, I don’t much care about the issue because ultimately it comes down to semantics. Doesn’t make me a homophobe. And I don’t get where you get off on calling me “passively racist.” Thinking blacks and whites and every other color should be treated exactly the same makes me racist?

    • Hey Princess,

      So the conservatives are all anti-gay, pro-racist, eh?

      http://theatheistconservative.com/2012/05/26/vicious-racist-pets-of-the-democratic-left/

      http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/04/12/wheres-the-outragedems-running-anti-gay-campaign/

      Looks like you are eating crow now.

      Who was trying to make it so LGBT individuals could get married and be equally represented under law after YOUR party , the DEMOCRATS instituted their hateful little laws? The same views that Obama held when he took office?

      Log Cabin Republicans and Libertarians. Conservatives. Guys like Arnold Resnicoff. The Dems only ever agreed to support gay rights in the last ten years because the LCR and their Conservative allies have been twisting some arms in Capitol Hill for decades without fanfare and without praise.

      There you go. Some history to educate your dumb ass.

      So….you feel like playing the blame game, do ya? Okay chuckles, look at this….:

      ….and tell me what that makes YOU according to your own fucked up argument.

      This man has nothing to prove to you. He’s already demonstrated that he is nothing like what you accused him of and I’ve already demonstrated that your arguments are bullshit (and given actual evidence to that effect, unlike you). So now the nail is in your foot, you smug little bitch. Prove to all of us that you are not a homophobic, murderous, racist, imperialist, pro-censorship, anti-drug, pro-torture monster.

      That was cute story about your “friend” and about how you felt he was “misguided”. Too bad I don’t believe for a moment a preachy little twat like you has any friends. But one thing in your favor? I don’t think you are misguided at all.

      No, “misguided” suggests you are an innocent victim. You are a willfully ignorant piece of crap who seeks to condemn others and support a murderous regime, and then has the audacity to accuse the artist of this here comic, of being “intolerant”.

      You said he needs to “prove himself”. I say, you just proved that you and your party are the real monsters here.

      As for your whole babbling nonsense about how liberal MLP is…shit, I’m just gonna tell you the same thing I told the other tool: If this show has any political message, it appears to be a Libertarian one: when the mane 6 work together it is the act of individuals choosing to work together without the threat of force to better their world and causes they choose to work towards.Individuals are celebrated and communal thinking and brow beating is shown as vile and to be avoided.

      http://analysisismagic.thingobjectentity.net/2012/05/22/the-most-awesomely-libertarian-episode-of-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic/

      http://analysisismagic.thingobjectentity.net/2012/03/13/objectivism-is-magic/

      In case, you don’t know?

      I am Cain. Libertarian. Atheist. Scientist.

      …and you’ve just gotten your ass educated.

  15. You think this is about liberals vs. conservatives and not sane people vs. some greasy neckbearded turbovirgin who probably touches himself while watching cartoons for preteen girls? Become an hero.

  16. Well, this comment box has been a laugh and a half.
    Hey Libs! Newsflash: Governments with your ideologies can stand accused of
    the same crimes you accuse Cons of.

    Homophobia? Che Guevara and Fidel Castro butchered scores of homosexuals, while enslaving and oppressing
    the rest. As did Mao (and the Chinese Communist Party continues to do so), as did Stalin.

    Racism? See above and lets add Hugo Chavez of Venezuela to the list for his crimes against immigrants not to mention his racist comments
    about Obama.

    Blocking progress? The Cuban Communist Party butchered many of the island nation’s leading intellectuals, scientists and
    scholars. The Maoist Government did the same. The Jacobins during the Reign of Terror damn near brought science to a standstill when
    they killed numerous scientists including the father of modern chemistry, Antoine Lavoisier (not to mention burning countless
    texts simply because the men who authored or translated them were either religious or disagreed with the Jacobin method of governance).
    The Soviet Government arrested and killed anyone who promoted Darwinian thought (and indeed any scientific viewpoint that they felt was
    not in line with their political agenda, such as the work of Einstein).

    Sexism? See above and take your pick. I would recommend looking at the policies of the modern Chinese Communist Party.

    Et cetera, et cetera.

    So for any of you who commented that Teg or any of the Brony Cons should have “expected” this and remarked that he needs to
    “prove he’s not like them”: you first. Prove that you are not “like those other leftists”.
    Not so fun with the shoe on the other foot, is it?

    But I know what you’re thinking: “But there is no one ‘liberal’ ideology! You are generalizing! I/We are not like that!”

    Exactly my point.

    Guys/Gals, I don’t like either option of the political spectrum all that much. To be frank, I’m not a big fan of Conservatism. But even
    I can see a bum deal when I see it.

    Conservatism (like Liberalism) is a very, very, very broad political idea, with plenty of room for nuance. An ideology which can swing from heavy anti-drug enforcement
    to letting it all hang out and offering gold stars to whoever makes the best pot brownies obviously is worthy of a little more than study than
    simply: “U R ALL REPUBLICUNTS!”.

    Even in the Republican party there are different views: For example, the Log Cabin Republicans are wildly different from the main party
    (and in fact, have been fighting for gay rights and gay marriage for several decades now and were among the first to fight against the implementation
    of DADT). There are many more.

    Furthermore, the idea that MLP is “Liberal” is laughable. The show doesn’t seem to have a consistence political message:
    Sometimes praising the power of communal governance, other times praising the might of the one over the many. Sometimes
    denouncing the quest for capital, other times praising it and making Applejack into a Capitalist Superheroine that would make
    Ayn Rand sprout a penis.

    The idea that this show was built specifically for any one ideology is laughable.

    So Triple T? Don’t let them get you down.

  17. I saw your post on tumblr and came here just to comment on it. I’m a liberal-leaning fan of the show, and I’m extremely disappointed that people would honestly tell you that you “can’t” like a show for being conservative.

    Even if I don’t agree with your politics, I will happily enjoy the show with you. As you said, the show is about tolerance and acceptance. When it comes to ponies, our differences don’t matter.

    It’s all about the magic of friendship. ❤

    • Appreciate it! I’ve received many responses along the same lines. I wasn’t trying to say that this sort of thing happened often, just that it happened often enough that I felt it was worth saying something. Overall this is the first true “fandom” I’ve ever been a part of and the experience has been very positive.

  18. I’m going to be honest: I’m a liberal Brony, and I’m disgusted by those who are constantly yelling “Love and Tolerate” but refuse to love or tolerate people such as yourself in the fandom. No matter what our political leanings are, we need to respect that all people are humans, no matter what their religion, beliefs or interests may be. I hope that the most puritanical of the bronies realize their hypocrisy soon. Thank you.

  19. There’s something sad about making a blog post about being aggressively harassed for your political views, only to have people come along and aggressively harass you for your political views in the comments… No shame. No restraint.

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